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« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2008, 10:17:13 PM »

LOL  laugh
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« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2008, 11:03:31 PM »

One more post by faultyargument and he will be empowered to smite and applaud.  Watch out!
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« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2008, 07:15:01 PM »

These cleats are like 4 months old and I didn't even ride two of those months. They have maybe 500-800 road miles on them. And the tension is maxed.  I just don't think they're designed to take that much force in the upward direction. these are shimano m520s so maybe the higher-end pedals are better.
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« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2008, 07:21:52 PM »

Eh - you might be right = you don't want to have your foot ripped off during a typical MTB accident, so it may well be engineered that way deliberately.  Paul's likely to have a decent idea about it.
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« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2008, 10:48:16 PM »

Eeh... I'm with buttrump.  I think this topic is probably best discussed over libations as I really don't have passionate opinions about it.  FYI, I didn't search the publications to make an argument one way or another.  Those were just the publications I could find on the subject.

Warily...

1)  The reduction in muscle use could correspond to an increase in efficiency - with a clipless pedal less muscle is not engaged in the action of keeping the foot positioned correctly.  Even with a toe clip you have to exert some effort to keep your foot positioned correctly.  It's similar to the increased ability to lift weight on a universal or guided weight system over free weights - guiding the weight - guiding the force of your pedal - is expensive in terms of energy.

So more muscle groups, yeah?  That's probably why lifters like working with free weights.  I would buy the efficiency argument, except the research seems to counter that (see previous posts).  Other posters pointed out it's more for power than for efficiency (which I'm willing to believe).

2)  The correct POV on clipless is that they allow you to get more muscle groups involved in the production of power.  The key element is that they don't just enable you to get more muscle groups involved, that paper questions that, but that they allow you to get more muscle involved in moving you forward.  You can get all your muscle groups involved by flailing around with some hand weights and ensuring a brake pad is rubbing, but you won't move forward very fast.  Clipless get the power going in the right direction.

Okay, so you can push harder, but you're not "pulling."  This is what the Rivendell hi/yu-ppies were saying.

3)  Clipless are a ton safer than toe clips.  You can clip out in any position at any time, and you can clip out both ways.  Because the clip out is a twist, when you go down they tend to prevent the worst orthopedic injuries - twisting of knees or ankle which damages ligaments.  Twisting your leg in toe clips will not let you out, and it's very easy to destroy your knee by going down awkwardly in tight toe clips, or even loose ones.

I don't have any numbers on what injury rates due to pedal interfaces.  But I do hear about stories of people tipping over while clipped in, and at least some of them have resulted in broken bits.  Actually, I've seen somebody tip over.

"This will not stand.  This will not stand, this aggression, uh, against clipless."  Grin
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« Reply #50 on: April 09, 2008, 11:30:04 AM »

you can't really consider yourself a cyclist until you've fallen over sideways, at 0mph due to your freshly installed clipless pedals, possibly in front of a bus stop or perhaps a school bus full of kids.


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« Reply #51 on: April 09, 2008, 12:36:25 PM »

i fell over at a standstill on my first rides on both single and double strap pedals, but so far none of my 5 clipless rides. i still know it's going to happen though.
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« Reply #52 on: April 09, 2008, 06:13:10 PM »

update:  i just took my maiden voyage in the clipless world.  it's definitely different, and i look forward to when clipping in becomes preternatural.

i have to confess, my understanding of what "pulling up" was... before i went clipless, was way off.  it's really unbelievable, and for any one who hasn't ridden clipless before, has no idea what they are missing, no matter how tight their toe clips are.

pretty sweet.  walking is a bit of a problem.

here's a question - with road shoes - do the actual locking clips ever wear down, or should i be ok?
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« Reply #53 on: April 10, 2008, 11:45:27 AM »

This quiz bugged me, cause there is a place for BOTH. On my xtracycle, the one I ride every day to the store, walk around, etc, I have flats and clips.

On my road bike, the speedy lil demon, I have LOOK style pedals. I can't walk for shit in the shoes, but it's cool.

If you have external cleats (LOOK, TIME, etc) they WILL wear out very quickly if you walk on them. Spend the money on some cleat protectors, they snap onto the bottom and are cheaper than buying new cleats every month. Throw the protectors in your under the seat bag... You will end up using them.


OH, and I am right there with steveby3, falling over at 0mph in front of a car full of teenagers is a GREAT way to become humble.


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« Reply #54 on: April 10, 2008, 04:13:38 PM »

you can run in spd's, I  chased Brian at crank mob in full sprint for a mile in spd's and almost caught him.
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« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2008, 11:09:22 AM »

While reading something completely unrelated, I ended up coming across "Power Grips" - http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2005/11/power-grips.html.

Naturally, I googled a bit.  People who ride them seem to like them.
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