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« on: March 14, 2010, 08:31:27 AM »

I've had my eye on these new-fangled belt drives for a while.  Anyone had any good/bad experiences with them?

I was contemplating putting one on an old frame, but of course this requires modifying the frame somehow to install the belt, because you can't  disconnect a belt like you can a chain.  The frames I've seen that are made for belt drive have an opening in the rear triangle where the dropouts would be, and then a separate piece with the dropouts that gets bolted to the frame.   Seems like something any machine shop could handle... right?

Am I insane to even think about doing this?  Will I hopelessly weaken my frame?
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2010, 04:29:30 PM »

You're not insane.  They do have a "gee whiz" factor that's pretty substantial.  (If you didn't see the L.A. Times article this week, it's pretty interesting - http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-0308-gear-20100308,0,852938.story .  $5,446 for a Co-Motion?  Geeze.)

That said, you'd probably be better off doing a build up of a standard chain-driven bike with an internally geared hub / fixed gear / singlespeed, as they offer almost all of the advantages of a belt drive (quiet, low maintenance, cool aesthetics) with none of the drawbacks (expense, lack of options, lack of availability, etc.)

There are a few issues with belt drives, in addition to the one you pointed out about it requiring an opening in your rear frame, which, if not done correctly, has the potential to weaken the frame.

1. Finding parts.  If you have a chain driven singlespeed or internal rear hub, and you need a new chain, you can go into any bike store, buy a chain, and get on your way.  If you have a belt drive bike and it needs replacement for whatever reason, good luck finding one. (Seriously, try google.)

2. Expense. A standard singlespeed bike chain costs $8-15. A drive belt for a belt drive bike costs $55. And that's just the belt, the cog and chainwheel are also made by very few manufacturers, and not cheap, and then there's the modifications you need to make to your frame.

3. Adaptability. One of the reasons chain drives are so popular on bicycles is that you can customize the length to meet your bike.  If you buy a regular chain driven singlespeed/fixed gear, and then decide that you want to raise or lower the gearing, you buy a new cog / freewheel, then add/remove a few links from your chain, and off you go.  Most of the current belt drives that I've seen have a standard sized belt designed for the manufacturer's choice of gearing.  This is fine if you've got an internally geared hub, but you're kind of SOL if you want to change the gearing on your belt driven singlespeed.

Either way, the Bikerowave will be happy to help you build up your next bike.

I've had my eye on these new-fangled belt drives for a while.  Anyone had any good/bad experiences with them?

I was contemplating putting one on an old frame, but of course this requires modifying the frame somehow to install the belt, because you can't  disconnect a belt like you can a chain.  The frames I've seen that are made for belt drive have an opening in the rear triangle where the dropouts would be, and then a separate piece with the dropouts that gets bolted to the frame.   Seems like something any machine shop could handle... right?

Am I insane to even think about doing this?  Will I hopelessly weaken my frame?

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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2010, 06:22:12 PM »

I'm not convinced any machine shop would be able to do this.  Maybe a frame builder.  Maybe the proper frame/bolt together insert exists to make this kind of modification. I'd contact a frame builder who's done it. 
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2010, 09:32:12 PM »

I haven't found anything commercially available on the web to help modify the frame for this... found a few blog posts from frame builders showing how they did it, though, and it doesn't look easy:
http://blog.ahrensbicycles.com/2009/11/belt-drive-dropout-conversion.html

Also found this... they cut the seat stays, which doesn't seem to me like the best way to do it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ih-5yiRz-g

Hmm... maybe more of a headache than it's worth.

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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2010, 12:13:17 PM »

I agree with your last point.
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2010, 08:50:25 AM »

I set up few and I am not impressed, but those were cheaper systems. No more quieter than single speed or internal hub gear. Advantage is no greasy chain and lighter weight. That said, Gates Carbon Drive system (a higher end belt drive system) is supposed to be very nice. As for modifying your frame... don't bother.

http://www.carbondrivesystems.com/
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2010, 08:28:57 AM »

My strida 5.0 is belt driven. It's good, if i peddle fast enough I could skip one tic but not two, otherwise super cool. Umm, no grease factor! I dont want to belt drive my santa cruz down hill bike. it has chain guard system so it wont fall off my crank and hit my calves. that's all. I don't know anything about bicycle.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2010, 12:11:18 PM »

An alternative

You could also purchase an old Raleigh Tourist or DL1 frame and avoid frame modification.

This frame has a bolt on seat stay allowing you to install a belt.

I believe all Raleighs with rod brakes will have this frame.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/retroraleighs/catalogs/1977-drawings/images/32-tourist.jpg







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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2010, 09:56:23 AM »

I am a retro-grouch here:

Please don't put a belt drive on a Raleigh DL-1.
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2010, 09:24:23 AM »

Find an old bike with a raised chain stay and you will not need to modify the frame.  You can install the belt drive with the frame as is.

Good luck!
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