XELAT
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2008, 01:54:28 PM » |
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Wrong guys. In a sandwich, the meat is in the middle, so don't look to the preamble, look to the recommendations:
The Councilman then asked the two sides to separate and caucus amongst themselves to identify their primary concerns and take a stab at finding solutions. When they returned, the homeowners group listed their primary concerns as:
1. Lack of accountability, ie, cyclists are anonymous and problem riders can't be identified. Their proposed solution was some form of license plate that cyclist would be required to display. This idea was ruled impractical because it would require statewide legislation to enable it.
2. Lack of adherence to laws.
4. Lack of enforcement.
5. Cyclists who are unaware that motorists are near them and don't move over to allow them to pass.
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The bike riders then identified these strategies for addressing the problems:
1. Education. Create guidelines in the form of "rules of the road" to be distributed to cyclists via the internet, email, at bike shops and possibly on sign boards at both the bottom and top Mandeville Canyon. Also, collaborate with the homeowners groups to develop corresponding guidelines for motorists to provide guidance on safety factors for cyclists and how to drive around them. For instance, rather than honking (which seems to elicit adverse reactions), motorists should try to only tap their horn a couple times. Also, motorists need to understand that the harsh words they sometimes get from cyclists are not personal but reflect an instinctive reaction when they are put in a dangerous situation by a car.
2. Road surface conditions should be repaired and maintained so that cyclists can more safely ride closer to the right.
3. Traffic calming. It was acknowledged that this has been a controversial issue (residents of upper Mandeville have made legal challenges when lower Mandeville homeowners planned or implemented speed humps!). Nonetheless, at least speed "feedback" signs could be used, which display a motorist's speed and have been shown to be effective.
4. Provide a means for homeowners to file complaints about and descriptions of unruly cyclists to the clubs so they can attempt to self discipline any members who warrant this. Could be an email address or website. It was pointed out that perhaps 40% of the cyclists who ride on Mandeville are not affiliated with the clubs, so they could not be controlled.
Why are these recommendations heavy on cyclist education and soft on motorists? If you listened to Rosendahl on KCRW last night you would find out that the "lack of adherence to laws" and the "lack of enforcement" are both aimed at cyclists, not motorists.
Peterson and Stoehr could have been killed even though they were riding safely and legally. These recommendations should be hard on motorists, not on cyclists.
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2008, 02:41:32 PM » |
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word. good post new alex.
and let me be clear, by aryan residents deserving to get shit on, i mean just that. our governor has a house on mandeville, his dad was a nazi, i don't think my comments were too far off. plus, anyone with money who has to live an elitist lifestyle isn't worth the life they were given in my opinion, so i make no mistake letting it be known i do not like them. it has nothing to do with bike activism, but everything to do with Los Angeles and it's politics.
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XELAT
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2008, 02:46:34 PM » |
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word. good post new alex.
new alex is new! |
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2008, 02:51:20 PM » |
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what do proto-indo-iranians have to do with arnie?
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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2008, 02:58:04 PM » |
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Hey now Buttrumpus, the first thing our Austrian American governor did when he moved in there was have the speed bumps taken out, which arguably made the street more attractive to cyclists.
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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2008, 01:18:09 AM » |
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From http://laist.com/2008/07/16/kcrw_looks_into_bicyling_in_a_car_c.phpJuly 16, 2008 KCRW Looks into Bicycling in a Car Culture  Photo by carlosfpardo via Flickr Last night, one of Los Angeles' best locally focused radio programs, Which Way, L.A.? focused in on the Mandeville Canyon "road rage" motorist vs. bicyclist incident among other bicycle issues around Los Angeles. LA City Councilman Bill Rosendahl, Patrick Brady of Felt Bicycles and the LA County Bike Coalition Planning and Policy Director, Dorothy Kieu Le joined Warren Olney to talk perspectives, laws and LA culture of cars and bicycles. http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/ww/ww080715on_the_streets_of_lo |
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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2008, 06:05:54 PM » |
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anyone on here who knows this dorothy from the lacbc needs to tell her to not do radio interviews.
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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2008, 05:36:18 PM » |
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